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Okinawa Diet

4. Jun 2018 15:43

Hallo,
interessanterweise verweisen viele LowFat Befürworter auf die Okinawa Ernährung, die sehr fettarm sein soll.
Erst als Tierprodukte eingeführt wurden, soll sich die legendäre Langlebigkeit reduziert haben.
Auch Jakobs behauptet dies in seinem Buch.
Jetzt lese ich in der " Perfect Health Diet", dass die traditionelle Ernährung eher fettreich war.

"Die traditionelle Ernährung Okinawas besteht aus weißem Reis, Süßkartoffeln, Fisch, Schweinefleisch, Eiern und verschiedenen Pflanzen, darunter auch Seetang. Alle Teile des Schweins wurden gegessen („ von Kopf bis Fuß“) und zum Kochen wurde Schweineschmalz verwendet."

Franklyn D. Take a lesson from the people of Okinawa. Health, September 1996, 57– 63. Cited in Fallon S, Enig M, Adventures in macro-nutrient land, April 1, 2003, www.westonaprice.org/ basics/ adventures-in-macro-nutrient-land .

Sho H. History and characteristics of Okinawan longevity food. Asia Pacific Journal of Clinical Nutrition 2001;10( 2): 159– 64, http:// pmid.us/ 11710358 .

Interessanterweise wird hier argumentiert, dass durch die Einführung der Getreideprodukte, Omega 6 Öle die Probleme begonnen hätten.

Klingt ja mal anders. Hat jemand andere Daten oder Erkenntnisse?

4. Jun 2018 15:58

Hier ist noch eine genauere Aufschlüsselung der Okinawa diet:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

4. Jun 2018 19:50

Ja, gerade die Ausführungen von Willcox werden scharf kritisiert.

Willcox hides the fact that in 1949 Okinawa was in postwar ruin and had very bad Willcox, the fraudulent fabricator of Okinawa sweet potato longevity diet makes false claim that Okinawan's longevity is the result of eating a diet of mostly sweet potatoes, he based his claim solely on a 1950 US government report on Okinawan food intakes survey conducted in 1949, he concludes that the diet consisted of mostly sweet potatoes was the secret to Okinawans' long life span. He also claims the high number of old age people is the evidence of longevity. The real truth is before WW2 Okinawa's traditional diet wasn't high in sweet potatoes but high in pork, and the high ratio of old age people on Okinawa islands was the result of US invasion on Okinawa islands during WW2 in which about 1/2 of Okinawa's young population was killed!

Willcox hides the fact that in 1949 Okinawa was in postwar ruin and had very bad food shortage crisis immediately after WW2 and into the early 1950s, meat supply was very short due to Okinawa's pre-war farm inventory of 100,000 hoof livestock on the islands were mostly killed during the heavy battles between Japanese troops and American troops.

According to a US government report made before WW2 there was average one hoof livestock as meat supply for every 3 to 4 Okinawans. After the war US government conducted a survey on the remaining living Okinawans who were starving to death, dying of malnutrition and diseases, but that horrible condition was not mentioned in the report, which Willcox uses, in order to cover up US military atrocities and war crimes committed on Okinawans in postwar time. The 1949 US government's physical and medical condition report on Okinawans was fabricated to make the world thinks the Okinawans were living happily and healthy when in fact they were not.

Willcoxs uses 65 years old data collected during a food shortage crisis in Okinawa in 1949. At the time the US government conducted the small survey the Okinawans had just came out of the biggest war with Americans. Okinawa islands were in ruin caused by US military bombings and fire burning during the battles.

In 1949 there was a food shortage for Okinawans because their homes and lands were confiscated by the US govt, who restricted their rights to fish, hunt and farm. Okinawans were starving and malnourished. They lived in badly make-shift shelters.

Here is the real truth about Okinawa:

In 1949 many Okinawans were in starvation due to food shortage after their lost in WW2 and the US military occupation that came afterward.

U.S. military invasion of Okinawa, launched in late March, 1945, bogged down into a devastating war of attrition that dragged on for three months, taking a recorded total of 237,318 lives, more than half of them Okinawan civilians. In the aftermath of massive human, material, and environmental destruction, entire Okinawan families were missing, and whole villages destroyed.

Many Okinawans in Japan mainland cities who hoped to escape the burnt-out ruins and return to their homeland after the war had nothing left to go back to. U.S. military seized local farmlands for a major expansion of military bases.

[An account by an Okinawan who lived through that food shortage period:] After living in the Koza refugee camp for about a year, we finally returned to Misato Village, moving into what was called “standardized housing” [prefabricated wooden huts with thatched roofs]. Food was still hard to come by. Although we received some rations—mostly canned goods—and clothing from the U.S. military, we were always hungry. The term “postwar palm fern hell” best describes conditions at a time when we ate anything, including wild plants, thought to be edible. One day, we fried [sweet] potato tempura in motor oil. My uncle insisted on eating some first to be sure it wasn’t poisonous. He always did that because, he said, he was old and weak, and didn’t expect to live much longer anyway. Three years later, he died.

Okinawans living on the Japan mainland today also recall atrocities committed by American soldiers. Battle-survivor Yamashiro Kenko recounted one of the all-too-frequent incidents of what Okinawans called “girl-hunts” (musume-gari). “After I was captured and brought to a shed with other refugees, one of the American soldiers picked out a young woman. Ignoring the screams of her children, he led her away at gunpoint and raped her.”161 Interviewed in July, 1999, another woman recalled, “I made sure to muss my hair and blacken my face with charcoal before the Americans took me to a refugee camp.” The U.S. government seized large tracts of privately owned farm land for its military bases, claiming that this was permitted by the “Rules of Land Warfare” under the 1914 Hague Convention. Yet these seizures continued long after the war ended, and the U.S. military still occupies these lands to this day. The Battle of Okinawa took more than a quarter of a million lives [half were Okinawans]. Most Okinawans who survived were left destitute, homeless, or both
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Source: The American Occupation of Japan and Okinawa: Literature and Memory - By Michael S. Molasky

4. Jun 2018 20:57

Ich denke, es führt schnell in eine Sackgasse, wenn man mit den Kostformen spezieller nicht-westlich lebenden Menschengruppen heutzutage oder erst recht in der Vergangenheit argumentiert, und der sich daraus ableitenden angeblichen gesundheitlichen Vorteile.

Denn was die Leute wirklich essen/gegessen haben, ob das wirklich alle über einen langen Zeitraum durchgängig gemacht haben, ob die beobachteten gesundheitlichen Vorteile nur Einzelfälle waren oder nicht, darüber lässt sich trefflich streiten. Behauptungen, die verschiedene Seiten dazu aufstellen, und die Gegenbehauptungen dder jeweils anderen Seite, sind kaum nachprüfbar.

Siehe die ganze Diskussion um die China Study.

Ein paar Denkanstöße können solche ethnologischen Betrachtungen vielleicht liefern, insbesondere wenn man Gemeinsamkeiten verschiedener menschengruppen in den Blick nimmt (siehe Dan Buettners "blue zones"), mehr aber auch nicht. Sowas möglichst 1:1 nachzubilden halte ich für ziemlich sinnlos, selbst unter Paleoköstlern ist da ein Streit entbrannt und die paläoanthropologische Fraktion wird von der eher ernährungsphysiologisch motivierten verächtlich des "paleo reenactment" beschuldigt, also einer Art Rollenspiel-Mummenschanz ohne gesundheitliche Relevanz.

Gerade weil wir Veganer die Paleos allgemein eher kritisch sehen, müssen wir ja nicht die gleichen Fehler machen...

5. Jun 2018 14:29

sag das dem Hildmann! :mg:

5. Jun 2018 14:51

Wer unterhält sich denn noch Freiwillig mit dem ? :oO:
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